Hello. thanks michigan ... i got DVD Shrink working with your help ... scuba pete kept referring to dvd x copy but all i needed to do was open disc to be able to highlight the "backup !" icon on DVD Shrink ... i am still working out the kinks but thanks for not being rude like some people ... i was asking on different threads because i was trying to find someone to help me ... but thanks again for being rude scuba when i was just asking for help ... FIRE ...